What an *rse!

Have added my comment to their blog & wish there was a way I could get this kn*bhead the sack.

He admits that the majority of riders are fine & then suggests a ban on all bikes in National Parks.

All riders should read this & add suitable comments, this sort of garbage should not be allowed to go unanswered.

I am now officially annoyed... :wall:

 

for a second there I forgot I was on a UK board.....

For what it's worth from a Yank: no.

 

Hi,

This subject has received some very strong comments on another forum I am active on and it reached the BBC news for the area for the trouble it has caused.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/4790131.stm

Dave T

 

Whilst I'd respect his, and everyones right, to air views etc. What I find disturbing is he has chosen to utilise North Wales Police resources to air his private views when as a serving police office he is under an obligation to treat all members of the public impartially. I cannot see how that can be achieved now that he's nailed his prejudiced colours to the mast.

Given I am a resident of North Wales I also consider it a waste of NWP resources (that I am financially contributing to).

It appears there is a lot of upset locally and at national BMF level

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/4790131.stm

http://www.bmf.co.uk/press/2006/press377.html

As a final note .. as pointed out by "Soylent Green" on the UKRM newsgroup.

<quote>
"Interesting web site...

"What is Hate Crime?
Hate Crime is any crime or behaviour where the perpatrator's
prejudice against any identifiable group of people is a factor in who
is victimised."

http://www.north-wales.police.uk/nwp/public/en/contact/raceHate.asp

"This form is designed to help the Police and other agencies respond to crimes or incidents which are perceived to be motivated by hate or prejudice, and any information provided by you will be treated in strict confidence. The information you provide will be placed on computer, and protected by provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998.

By tackling this type of crime together, we hope to make North Wales a safer place to live"

(My emphasis, their mis-spelling.)

Get reporting people, this type of hate crime needs to be stamped on hard."
</end quote>

 

The answer to whether bikes should be banned in national parks or anywhere for that matter is obviously NO.

That said I can sympathise with(if not agree with) the reasons behind his thinking.

We are a minority group, and as such if we piss enough people off with stupidly loud exhausts, dangerous riding and discurteous behaviour we are destined to be wiped out by the powers that be.

The Power Ranger brigade are mostly responsible for peoples poor attitude towards motorcycles. They are the most visible type of rider to other road users with their loud exhausts, bright colour schemes and usually high speed antics. I am not saying that everyone who rides a race rep is an a**ehole.

People just don't recognise the thousands of us who ride to work every day or who can enjoy a Sunday run without pretending to be on a race track as motorcyclists.
We are politically invisible and are not really recognised as a seperate entity. I don't want to be associated with the Power Ranger brigade any more than a car driver wants to be classed the same as part of the lowered suspension, radio up full blast Baseball Cap brigade.

Attitudes like The Deputy Chief Constable's are becoming more widespread and if we as a group don't clean up our act, it will be done for us, much to everybody's detriment.

 

Deputy Chief Constable
He Says
>>>>inescapable whine of motorcycles<<< True! There’s no need for all the racket. As far as the “revving, race can “ multis go, along with the Cruisers with no silencers at all I’d take them all off the road. Stick them on a push bike. They are the Ars*s. Why do they go where all the traffic is? The east side of the M6 from Lancaster to the borders is the area to ride in. Most of the tourists are around the lakes.

>>>> Most riders are responsible and courteous<<< Let’s hope we all stay it that group.
>>>>>cut the amount of motorcycle carnage on our routes.<<<< The speed some of the nutters go is crazy. There’s no way they are in control. They just aim the bike and hope for the best.
>>> grand prix ambience<<<< At home when I hear one of these no brainers riding through the estate in a 30 limit, pulling what must be upwards of 12,000 rpm on a Superbike. They can be heard for what must be half a mile, coming and leaving. Is it really doing the rest of us any favours? I think not! They are ALL our enemy, NOT the police.
Why do these people fit small plates, coloured light lenses etc, when they know they are illegal. Their attitude is to give the cops the finger by doing it.
Nick em all, I say. Confiscate the plate and impound the bike. Make them walk home. The cops are too soft.

>>> Is it now time to banish motorcycles completely from our National Parks?<<< NO. Jump on the delinquents; make it expensive to break the law. Hit them in the pocket with repeated fines. Only when they get another pastime will it be clear for us to get on with REAL motorcycling.

When I’m out I make “ good progress” :riding: but I’m not noticed because I don’t deafen the locals or make them run for cover.

I was going to be controversial but thought better of it.
:big grin:

PS I've just seen Carphone and slparry's posts. I'd writ this before so I'll post anyway

 

Can't put it better than that, Mal.

One of our local nutters gang was recently killed - wrong side of the road, head on into a car in a 40mph limit.
Another was caught (by a cop on a BM) doing 108mph - in a 30 limit...
I've heard that in France now, for serious offences, they call up a mobile crusher and give you a small cube of metal to take home. What a great idea.

Safe & fun riding all.

 

>>I've heard that in France now, for serious offences, they call up a mobile crusher and give you a small cube of metal to take home. What a great idea. <<<< I don't agree with that method. They should be auctioned off or better still GIVEN to victims of bike theft, to replace the pinched bike.
Another option is they should do what the USA forces do. Vehicles seized from drug dealers etc, are repainted in police colours and used as their transport. They have it then sign written with where it came from and why they have it. The offenders must be really pi**ed off to see their pride and joy driving round with a cop at the wheel. I’ve got some pictures somewhere of such a vehicle.

 

Comments sent to the Police. If we dont stand up to these people then new laws will be passed!!!! What does the BMF have to say? What about the revenue that "Normal" bikers bring to these areas?

It seems like where ever you go in this country there is always someone wanting to stop you enjoying yourself, even if you are inside the law. :wall:

 

It seems like where ever you go in this country there is always someone wanting to stop you enjoying yourself, even if you are inside the law. :wall:

If everyone could enjoy themselves within the confines of the law and what is socially acceptable, there would not be anyone trying to stop us enjoying ourselves. I am maybe taking your comment in the wrong context, but blame in this case does not lie with someone else (government, police) it lies with bikers.

Mike.

 

It seems like where ever you go in this country there is always someone wanting to stop you enjoying yourself, even if you are inside the law. :wall:

If everyone could enjoy themselves within the confines of the law and what is socially acceptable, there would not be anyone trying to stop us enjoying ourselves. I am maybe taking your comment in the wrong context, but blame in this case does not lie with someone else (government, police) it lies with bikers.

Mike.

The "blame...lies with bikers" is not a very accurate view of the "problem".

The Dep Chief Con admits that the majority of riders are not a problem (the ones who are probably "bikers" & ride all the time) but the small minority cause all the problems (the "weekend warriors" who only get their "crotch rockets" out on a sunny Sunday for a "thrash" & go back to driving their white vans/Ford Mondeos for the majority of their boring lives) so we should all be banned anyway.

Blame does lie with Government for reducing the amount of money available for "real policing" and instead relying more on camera "policing" (or revenue collection) under the pretext of "road safety".

"Police" the small minority effectively & leave the rest of us alone.

 

The "blame...lies with bikers" is not a very accurate view of the "problem".

Firstly, you obviously didn't read / understand my original post on this subject.

Inconsiderate bikers are undeniably the root of the problem, how then does the blame lie anywhere else??

Policing and legislation can be used to reduce / cure the problem but neither is the direct cause.

It is also worth bearing in mind that the Police and the public can't differentiate between the Power Ranger types and the more considerate bikers among us. We will all continue to be tarred with the same brush.

Mike.

 

The "blame...lies with bikers" is not a very accurate view of the "problem".

Firstly, you obviously didn't read / understand my original post on this subject.

Inconsiderate bikers are undeniably the root of the problem, how then does the blame lie anywhere else??

Policing and legislation can be used to reduce / cure the problem but neither is the direct cause.

It is also worth bearing in mind that the Police and the public can't differentiate between the Power Ranger types and the more considerate bikers among us. We will all continue to be tarred with the same brush.

Mike.

I have read all the posts on this thread, more than once, and object to your attitude and assumption that only you are right!

I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree.

CHAVS in cars are seen as a separate breed to all other car drivers. CHAVS on bikes (or "power Rangers" as you like to call them) are the cause of this problem.

Sollution = Cul Chavs :uhoh:

Six inch Rusty Nail in centre of steering wheel/handle bars...when they have impaled themselves due to lack of driving/riding skill, put the remains in a crusher. More room on our roads for decent folk.

:big grin:

 

I have read all the posts on this thread, more than once, and object to your attitude and assumption that only you are right!

I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree.

I had assumed that you hadn't read my original post as you more or less re-iterated its content in one of yours :-D

You object to my attitude and assumption that I am always right, happy days, object away, but don't worry, being wrong doesn't make you a bad person.

Mike

 

I have read all the posts on this thread, more than once, and object to your attitude and assumption that only you are right!

I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree.

I had assumed that you hadn't read my original post as you more or less re-iterated its content in one of yours :-D

You object to my attitude and assumption that I am always right, happy days, object away, but don't worry, being wrong doesn't make you a bad person.

Mike

:roll:

 

I'm so fed up :-(

Bloody country has gone insane :think:

These sort of people are my bosses :uhoh:

I despair :wall:

Where can I officially lodge my disapointment :?

I haven't got the energy to be angry or upset any more. :roll:

 

How about the government "Reclassifying" off road routes as non vehicular access, then prosecuting bikers for riding on them. no signs or anything to advise the bikers.???

So these bikers were in side the law and the government then stepped in to stop it. Its like everything in life, the minority spoilt it for the majority.

 

:not worthy:
Mal, point well made & taken...
Perhaps another alternative is to give them to trackday schools.... which is the only remotely sensible place for R1s etc...
Imagine... Ferrari sold for, say, £25k, an F1 car detuned for durability to 500bhp, slightly softened suspension, lights and indicators.....Get my drift?

 

Ban us from any roads and maybe we should no longer pay roadtax?

A busy local road - that you'd have to be made to cycle down - has just had a cycle lane added meaning lanes are tighter now and its more dangerous to over take. Who can I speak to see if I can get this changed back/enough support to get it corrected? Its the main road from A3 going towards Chessington World of Adventures. A real arse of a road now.

 

I've heard that in France now, for serious offences, they call up a mobile crusher and give you a small cube of metal to take home. What a great idea.

Safe & fun riding all.

Yeah - great idea until some over zealous plod call's it up for YOUR bike... then you would no doubt start hypocritically whingeing about injustice.

What is needed is MORE cops on the road keeping ALL unsafe motorists and vehicles off the road. That is the only reason for banning things , because they cannot effectively be policed....

They have banned bikes from a lot of byways, which are LEGAL roads.. next they ban bikes from National Parks, then next it's off the road altogether.

Any of you who support ANY BAN of ANY ROAD use for bikes should just pack in riding as you are a disgrace to two wheels, and just as guilty as the tossers on their "race reps" for killing motorcycling in this country.

 

How about the government "Reclassifying" off road routes as non vehicular access, then prosecuting bikers for riding on them. no signs or anything to advise the bikers.???

So these bikers were in side the law and the government then stepped in to stop it. Its like everything in life, the minority spoilt it for the majority.

There have never been "off road " routes. Byways have always been included in the Road Traffic Act - they are roads...ROADS... same as the one outside your house , even if they have no tarmac. They have banned us from one set of roads that we had legal access to use RUPP's and unclassified BOAT's and attempting to ban us from another set which we have even more legal access to use... and what is the next step... ban bikes ?

 

sack the idiot. nobody needs a wide mouthed plod who talks out of his trousers.

think they want to ban fun too . . .