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When I took my bike test a few years ago I seem to recall the instructor talking about "flip-up" front style helmets ( like the Nolan X-lite and Calberg etc) saying that its illegal to ride with the front "flipped up" and has to be down and locked when riding ......
Any legal eagles out there care to comment ??
 

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Not a legal eagle, but yep it is law.

There is one that can be worn flipped up, just can't remember the name, looks pants riding like that though.
 
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I often see our local Police Motorcyclists riding with them in the "up" position, if they are ambling along around town, say within the 30mph limit, and if it's warm.

It would be difficult for them to admonish you if they did the same :whistle:
 

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LEGAL EAGLE

The helmet that was tested as an open face & the flip up chin piece was treated as an add on extra was...Caberg J1+, which made it "legal" to ride with the front raised.

Cabergs were tested in Germany but not to European Standards, so are technically not legal with front raised. :wall:

Overall I would say that :-
a. If you want to ride with front of lid raised, buy an open faced lid...
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b. If you have upset a member of Her Majesties Constabulary enough to warrant getting nicked for such a minor offence as riding with a flip front open...you must deserve it. Most of the Traffic cops I know ride at low speeds with flip fronts open so would not even give you a second glance if you did the same.

Contrary to popular belief, there is still some common sence about.

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Re: LEGAL EAGLE

TheWilbur said:
Overall I would say that :-
a. If you want to ride with front of lid raised, buy an open faced lid...
:roll:
Why? It's a great combination, being able to flip the front up through town for a smoke, easier chat with buddies, etc. - then flip it down again for higher speed stuff. Would be a lot more hassle changing helmets... :?

Yes I know it's illegal strictly speaking, but as has been pointed out, it would be an uber-anal cop that nicked you for just that... :think:
 

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Agreed! I use a flip front helmet largely because it's alot easier to get on and off as a spectacles wearer. I tend to ride with the face guard up in town - I get better peripheral vision and better hearing, which I believe more than compensates for the slight increase in risk of injury in a crash. There's also alot to be said for being less 'anonomous' - motorists find it harder to treat you like just another obsticle if you have a face... :cool:

When the speed picks up and I need more protection, down comes the face guard.
 
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TheWilbur said:
a. If you want to ride with front of lid raised, buy an open faced lid...
:roll:
b. If you have upset a member of Her Majesties Constabulary enough to warrant getting nicked for such a minor offence as riding with a flip front open...you must deserve it. Most of the Traffic cops I know ride at low speeds with flip fronts open so would not even give you a second glance if you did the same.

Contrary to popular belief, there is still some common sence about.

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I wouldn't have anything other than a flip front, as is said later... ideal for about town, petrol stations etc. then hit the open road and the front comes down... the best of both words.

Agree totally with second comment though... he'd have to be a bad ass cop that did you for riding with the helmet flipt up! We certainly never bothered, how could we, when we rode with the front up in town, slow escort work etc. But of course if you were to get a pull your opening words wouldn't be "Haven't you got anything better to do" :uhoh:
 

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Your Uber Anal Cop wears a Legal Flip Front Helmet. Caberg's ain't legal.

By all means do it but don't think the Cop is Uber Anal if he pulls you.
 

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Do not ride with the flip up.

The helmet is tested as a unit with the chin guard down, and this should be stated in the instructions you threw in the bin when you excitedly unpacked your new purchase ;)

If you were to fall off, the helmet chin guard could cause neck injuries by edges snagging in the road surface and rotating your head. A lot of money has been invested in making helmets "skid" to prevent such an injury. If you want to stay cool, not "look cool" :cool: , ride with your visor up or buy an open faced helmet with a visor and hope you don't have an accident.

Steve
 
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It might be an 'uder anal' cop to nick you but they are out there.

I would never stop anyone. I just don't see that it's that important, but remember you can only get a ticket for one offence at a time. If there are more than one offences then you are likely to be reported for the lot.

I use a flip front helmet at work and find the added vision with it up round town a bonus but it feels so wrong to ride with it up when I know I'm stopping other motorists for other seemingly minor offences.

Number plate infractions, chin bar raised......... Do one, you gotta do the other, and number plates might well start attracting 3 points and ?60 bacause the automated No plate reading systems can't read altered plates.

Just be careful you don't fall foul. :riding:
 

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Seatbelts, again it is legal for them to do it, though I don't see any Cops doing that around here, they all wear them, taxi drivers they are a different breed from the rest of us, and above all laws or so they think.
 

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LEGAL SCHMEGAL

It is also illegal to use a hand held mobile phone whilst driving...

Did not stop some stupid woman nearly killing me, running a red light whilst TEXTING last week... :wall:

I rode home 5 miles with no number plate recently (stolen whilst parked at rugby club & I only noticed when shutting garage door) through busy early evening traffic without any comment from any other road users, nevermind police... :doh:

With most of the "policing" on our roads being done by cameras & "traffic calming" hardware, I am not worried about helmets, number plates or the odd wing mirror. Just cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are not all out to get me...

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Although me personaly,i wouldnt ride with the front of the helmet up for that same reason stevedixey mentioned,imagine the flipped up part snagging on something and jerking your head back as your body carries on travelling forward. Maybe just parking the bike or something like that.
 
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PhilO said:
Agreed! I use a flip front helmet largely because it's alot easier to get on and off as a spectacles wearer. I tend to ride with the face guard up in town - I get better peripheral vision and better hearing, which I believe more than compensates for the slight increase in risk of injury in a crash. There's also alot to be said for being less 'anonomous' - motorists find it harder to treat you like just another obsticle if you have a face... :cool:
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Specs - and the annoying fact they mist up one hell of a lot quicker than your visor - was my main reason for choosing a flip-up. Mind you how many of you find that when the weathers milder . . . that'll be in about 17 weeks from now . . . and you get on the bike you're a trifle overcooked to start with? That flip-up is one way of keeping cool till the wind gets on you.

But riding with one up at any speed? Boys . . . when you had to use a full-face did you also nail a sheet of plywood to the top because you actually enjoyed both the inbalance and the drag? :doh:

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But riding with one up at any speed? Boys . . . when you had to use a full-face did you also nail a sheet of plywood to the top because you actually enjoyed both the inbalance and the drag?
As I understand everybody's comments, all of us that admit to riding with the guard up have agreed that it comes down as soon as the speed picks up... I've only noticed any drag at 50+mph, and the guard routinely comes down at between 25 & 30. Mainly, it's up when filtering...

The helmet is tested as a unit with the chin guard down, and this should be stated in the instructions you threw in the bin when you excitedly unpacked your new purchase
Many flip-up helmets (well, mine at least) come with the option of removing the chin guard to turn it into an open helmet. I take that to mean that it's strong enough with the guard up at the low speeds at which I do it. It's certainly alot stronger than my cycle helmet, and it's not uncommon to exceed 40mph on my push-bike... :oops:

I take the point about the guard snagging and causing kneck injuries in a sliding accident, though. It's certainly my main worry about doing it. Like I say, I accept that as a trade-off - I'd rather maximise my ability to avoid an accident, even at the cost of a small increase in the potential for injury if I fail to avoid it. :uhoh:
 

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Well I never, I didn?t know it was illegal to ride with it up!

Mind, having said that, you wouldn?t catch me wearing a flip front helmet because of the alarming failure rate in crashes (with the chin bar failing and folk loosing most of their face on the road). But like Phil, I am quite happy to fly down a mountain on a mountain bike at 40 mph with nothing more that a cheap (well? expensive) lump of polystyrene on my head!
 
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I had quite a major accident with a Shoei Syncrotec flip front. The hinge was broken, the visor and it's mechanism ripped off and the shell quite badly marked. However the flip front remained on the helmet and it still operated!

Happy days. Didn't stop me breaking my pelvis though. :-(
 

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I too had a bit of a do with a Shoei Syncrotec, like you my lid took one hell of a bashing but still worked and stayed shut on impact.
That's more than can be said for the rest of my gear.
Lyn.
 
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