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Hi all, has anyone had the engine casings re-plated/coated on their 650? (the paint flaking problem) what does it come up like??
 

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Silver Smoothrite is the DIY option of choice for most people, it's a very close colour match and lasts reasonably well. If you do go down the powder-coating route I would recommend Triple S in Bingley, he knows what he's doing and does a very good job. But he aint cheap...


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Had mine repainted (and re-passivated) PROPERLY ( note to BMW) by DS Coatings in Biggleswade...... came up like new (very slight pitting where the corrosion had bitten round the water pump but you have to look REALLY closely)

Stripped down (inc. removal of bearings on Clutch actuator pinion) and all seals by myself (lower clutch pivot bearing was a nightmare) ..... total cost of painting and re-passivating £45 (Clutch Casing and Water Pump Casing), Water pump kit, gaskets, seals and bearings £70 ...... total cost £115.

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Plumbline, you cheated...you should have done the whole engine like I did. Full strip down to the casings, including removal of the balancer and gear shaft bearings, seals, valves etc.

Took the cases to a guy in Malmsbury to acid strip and then to a powder coater in Bristol. By doing the masking myself I apparently saved £200+

Total cost though was around 300 including all seals and the bloody second gear drive cog that mysteriously disappeared... Not to mention the parts I scavenged from my old engine because I had a bent valve and a stripped head stud..

For DIY, unless you have time, I would just hammerite over the top.
 

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I would just hammerite over the top.
There are two things that might save the planet, Duct Tape and Hammerite.

Why would anyone to any other way :?

Though for the engine, Smoothrite or Hammerite Smooth depending on what they are calling it now.

The two little Scarver side panels have come up a treat with Halfords aluminium spray can. But this is a bit brighter than the engine colour.
 

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Engine Paintwork

Hi Smudge ,
Last winter i painted my engine as follows ;
Cleaned off all loose paint .
Polished all bare metal with power drill and wire brush .
Rubbed down with emery paper .
Applied two coates of smooth silver hammerite .
Result nice tidy engine with no major dismantling . still fresh looking after a season riding . All for the cost of one tin of paint .
johnny R
 

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There are two things that might save the planet, Duct Tape and Hammerite.

Why would anyone to any other way :?

Though for the engine, Smoothrite or Hammerite Smooth depending on what they are calling it now.

The two little Scarver side panels have come up a treat with Halfords aluminium spray can. But this is a bit brighter than the engine colour.
Dude, surely you mean three things, you got to add silicon sealant, mastics etc to that list.....

It is still called smoothrite, I got a tin last week :-D
 

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For info guys. I had an analysis done on flakes of paint which came off the casings. Apparently this is all down to Rotax or their sub contract coaters putting a cosmetic coating on the engine instead of a proper paint specification. It would seam that they have not pre heated the casings prior to application of paint or applied an adequate primer coat.

This results in the alloy 'gassing' over time and subsequent lack of adhesion to the parent surface.

I have a full independant report on the paintwork and am now in communication with BMW for remedial action on what is essentially a paint job 'not fit for purpose'.

Report is pretty comprehensive and quite damning, so we will see what comes of it before I get out the Hammerite.

As I understand it the 'gassing' period is quite short lived, but by then the damage is done to the original paintwork and any Hammerite applied should outlast the original paint.

Why could they not have done it right in the first place? Getting a response on this from BMW is unusual so they obviously do not like getting hit with the term 'not fit for purpose'.

Anyone else gone down this route?
 

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Sorry guys,

but this report was compiled by business associate as a favour on the back of some other paint failure reports and can not as this moment release it to public domain. Should however BMW or Rotax accept their failings in my particular situation then it will go public and all of you can quote it.

I can assure you that BMW will only address a case by case complaint, and if I have succeeded in my complaint does not mean that yours will be dealt with in a similar manner on the outcome of mine.

I do not know the exact cost of a paint failure analysis but would recommend al plaintiffs in this matter to take sample of the flaking paint and send it for microscopic analysis at a reputable paint specialist house.

Babcock were the analysts in my case but this may not be pertinent in all countries.

It only takes a few flakes of the original paint for examination and the more flakes we have condemned the better for all of us.

BMW will suffer no cost of course as their contract with the sub contractor Rotax and their subcontractor will be demanding of a fit for purpose paint specification. If they did not implement this then there a hundred other avenues of reproach under European Law.

They have f++ked up in their application of quality control to their sub contractors and they know it, let's make sure they know it and the more of you who have that 'flaking' paint analysed the better.

Why even spend the money on a pot of Hammerite when BMW can recall and rectify. Piss off BMW and they will defend their reputation.

I am quite willing to be the recipient of Rotax Engine paint failure reports and forward them on to BMW. They have a case to answer here, so please, if any of you have the facility to provide a coating failure analisys let me know by PM. The more the merrier.

It does not matter the age of the bike, mine is even years old but this rot should not be happening from inside to outside, from outside in, possibly, sorry BMW over to you on this one!
 

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Engine Paint

This was the response without playing my trump card of the paint report, I need to save that in case they get back to me on my response to this sidestepping.

It's going on Wikileaks next!

Thank you for your further email containing the requested details.
I acknowledge that having purchased a BMW motorcycle, you had expected absolute reliability and exceptional quality, synonymous with the brand. In terms of the issue you have experienced the paint application to the engine this is a most unfortunate and I am sorry that this aesthetic imperfection is clearly affecting your enjoyment of the bike itself. I can confirm that BMW construct all vehicles to the highest build quality tolerances, utilising the best quality materials and leading edge technology. Thus being the case, we would like to think that our customers experience fewer problems with our products than they might with other brands. However, we are of course realistic and do recognise that there may be occasions when components can fail and need to be replaced earlier than we would like or other problems may arise. It is for this very reason that all BMW motorcycles distributed by BMW UK are supplied with a comprehensive two year dealer warranty, to enable us to carry out any rectification work at no cost to the customer, should a warrantable manufacturing concern arise.
Where there is no valid warranty in place the owner of the bike assumes responsibility for cost of any repairs and we are under no obligation to offer financial assistance.
Nevertheless, we do operate a goodwill policy that enables us to, on occasion, offer financial assistance to customers who have not afforded themselves the benefit of a an extended warranty policy. This policy is instigated and processed at dealership level and we are unable to consider such requests directly from owners of third party repair agents. This policy is also reserved for those customers who have purchased their bikes within our Approved Dealership Network. Where a BMW Approved Dealership diagnoses a manufacturing defect they have the means to approach us directly, with the relevant information, for assistance. Where such requests are received, decisions are made in consideration of a bikes, age, mileage, service and sales history.
Unfortunately, in light of the age, service and sales history of your bike I must advise that we would not consider financial assistance with the required rectification work.
I appreciate that you have carried out some research on the internet and have concluded that the issue you are experiencing is a common fault. I assume this research was conducted via the internet which acknowledge is a useful platform for customers to share experiences. However, we would not deem independent forums to offer reliable representations of a particular situation. We prefer to rely on failure reports, customer feedback and part order information, as collated via our Approved Dealership Network as a more accurate source of information and the basis on which we determine common faults. Where a persistent issue is identified, we release quality enhancements to ensure that this is remedied. I can confirm that there has not been a common fault identified with the paint application to the engine of your bike.
In closing, I am sorry that I have been unable to offer you the response you had perhaps anticipated. Nevertheless, I trust the above has served to clarify our position and I sincerely hope that this matter will not detract from your overall enjoyment of what is a very good bike.
Yours sincerely
Debbie Davies
BMW Group UK
Customer Services
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA
Tel: (01344) 426 565

Complacent, I think so.....:applause:
 

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Thats a standard 'Sorry - not interested' reply letter.

I await the next instalment with interest as my bike is not showing any paint issues as yet, but it will be nice to know if it does get resolved.

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I can confirm that there has not been a common fault identified with the paint application to the engine of your bike.


Complacent, I think so.....:applause:[/QUOTE

Prevarication would be one word for it, complete ******** would be two more. If about 70-80% of machines out there don't constitute a 'common' fault then what does? You hope for better than that from a company like BMW but it shows that unless you're buying a shiny new bike, and heaven forbid that you should actually intend using it, then they don't actually give a toss about their customers. Come on BMW, sue me for libel!

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Are they serious?

Not a common problem????????

She's obviously not in the same world???

I for one would be prepared to sign a petition/take pics, ride up to ellesfield avenue :wave: to show them,

Now there's a thought........
 

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Okay, Lets start the petition, anyone any good at petitions, post one to the forum. Remember we need names, addresses and contact numbers to make it genuine.

Petition administrators step forward please. This will be an F650.co.uk only. I would suggest that after adding comments to the petition that the comments be emailed to BMW customer services as per the previous post stating that you also have the engine casing problem and that a petition has been raised on the forum which they are welcome to review.

Inundate BMW with the complaint until they cannot ignore it any longer, then we get a sympathetic lawyer.
 

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Okay, Lets start the petition, anyone any good at petitions, post one to the forum. Remember we need names, addresses and contact numbers to make it genuine.

Petition administrators step forward please.
This will be an F650.co.uk only. I would suggest that after adding comments to the petition that the comments be emailed to BMW customer services as per the previous post stating that you also have the engine casing problem and that a petition has been raised on the forum which they are welcome to review.

Inundate BMW with the complaint until they cannot ignore it any longer, then we get a sympathetic lawyer.
You tell me what you want the Petition to say & I'll post it for you ( although it is possible to post one yourself ). Either way, it will be "stickied" to keep it at the top of the relevant page,

Go to it!



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You tell me what you want the Petition to say & I'll post it for you ( although it is possible to post one yourself ). Either way, it will be "stickied" to keep it at the top of the relevant page,

Go to it!
Can't we go one better ? Isn't there an office of prime minister site where you can put up your own petitions. Petition the government for justice for British f650 bike owners being shafted by our German EU partners :)

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/
 

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Standard reply as expected.

I had a Funduro with black specks on the rims under the laquer. BMW told me that all the models that year had the same issue but offered no further help. Thats why I went to Yamaha after my 1100GS was sold and the waranty has been spot on no compliants so far.

The GS is a superb bike only let donw down by the paint finish which I expected to be at the same level as the cars they sell.
 

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When I compare the BMW with other bikes they don't seem to be too bad. They all rust is my opinion. The alloy and chrome on Jap bikes is nothing better. And I have owned many of them . And I better not mention my Enfield's chrome as that was really bad too.
But my bikes don't rust a lot and my F650 was like new when I sold it.

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